Wednesday, August 15, 2012

In defense of Myanmar and its people...

Rakhine province is full of Bangladeshis and Rohingyas, they actually have similiar ethnic identities, the Rakhine province, where the people are mainly Buddhist, is more naturally closer to Bangladesh that it is to Yangon!


The true ethnic Rakhine of Burma, they look different from the Bangladeshi or "Rohingyas"...These are displaced wthinic Rakhine people due to sectarian strife recently!

These are Bangladeshis from Bangladesh who are now squatting in the Rakhine province of Burma, a syndicate are bringing them down toneighbouring countries....spot the difference!?


These are the "Rohingyas" who may or may not have live in Rakhine province of Burma for a long timd...spot the difference!?



When I was in school Geography (Ilmu Alam) is one of my other favourite subjects, the other is History (Tawarikh).
I remember learning about a treacherous mountain range called Arakan Yoma. It is an anglicised name for the Rakhine mountain (Rakhineyoma) range that separates the isolated Rakhine province from the rest of Burma, or Myanmar as they call it now.
I have read about religious and sectarian violence in that province leaving many dead.
Okay now, looking at the map of Burma is just like looking at the map of Pakistan.
It is all fine and dandy and the map of Pakistan is always green in colour, with well defined boundaries.
Unfortunately, it is nothing like that at all in real life since the notorious North West Frontier or provinces are out of legitimate Pakistani government control. The North West frontier of provinces like Baluchistan and others haved trecherous terrain and are ungovernable. That's why Osama Ben Ladin loved it there since no one can actually have any reason to go there.
Back to Burma, in a map it is aso well a defined country with international boundaries.
But the fact of the matter is Rakhine province is a lot, lot closer to Bangladesh than it is to Yangoon or Nypitdaw, the new capital city of Myanmar
The Rakhine Burmese have tolerated the influx of Bangladeshis and those now labelled as "Rohingyas" for eons.
There are too many of them now. Together with the Indian like inhabitants of Rakhine who profess Islam as their "ethnic identity", there are also many thousands of Bangladeshis who disguised themselves as Rohingyas trying to sneak into neighbouring countries like Malaysia.
Especially Malaysia, and they do pose economic and cosial problems. The Rakhine and the illegals Bangladeshi or Rohingyas have to compete to live. To competer for space and sharing other resources in theis hurricane and typhon prone province of Myanmar is is tough, where life for everyone is hard done by.
The Rakhine-Burmese, who are mainly a Buddhist majority, is a peace loving people but not when their backyards are constantly being invaded by people who have no respect for laws. So the Rakhine snapped en masse.
Most of the time the Rakhine-Burmese are left to their own devices by the ruling Burmese junta, in the past sectarian and religious strife were contained, but in such conditions all it takes is a small thing for hell to break loose, usually during rainy season.
We must not condemned the Burmese government for "not helping", but even if they did no one knows and plus the fact the country is in a sort of a political mess.
One thing is for sure though, the Bangladeshis disguising as stateless Rohingyas are very much to blame for not respecting the norms and constraints of the Burmese-Rakhine, the host of the country.
We must get our facts right before we jump onto the bandwagon of list of armchairs political commentators. By now I am sure NGOs pretending to help the "stateless Rohingyas" are mushrooming, now that Saudi's millions are coming in to help the "downtrodden stateless people" of Burma.
I have this fear of how the persecuted Biafrans of Africa in the 60s and early 70s, and the Rwandans being economically exploited by bodies claiming to be helping with the rights of these downtrodden people such as the "Rohingyas".
BTW, I tried to get to the Rakhine province twice by road and it was nigh to impossible to do, too treacherous!

P.S.

For your information Yangon, or Rangoon, the former capital of Myanmar, or Burma, is inhabited and controlled by Muslim-Burmese and they have been living peacefully with the majority Burmese without problem. The Muslim Burmese controlled trading, commercial and other business sectors. My advise to Malaysians is to lay off Burma, unless if you know the real story here!






14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you Barking Magpie for now I understand the issue much better.

Anonymous said...

Like what happened in Sabah under BN

Anonymous said...

We have enough of our own problem, who are we to poke into Burma's problem? They have their government to look over their population and doesn't need people from a country with tons of own problems including cow and condo.....

Anonymous said...

""he Rakhine-Burmese, who are mainly a Buddhist majority, is a peace loving people but not when their backyards are constantly being invaded by people who have no respect for laws. So the Rakhine snapped en masse."

Agreed. Our experience with Rohingyas living next door reflect that statement.

Are they Muslims ? We saw liquor bottles in the back garden !!!

Are they Muslims ? We saw them eating and drinking during Ramadhan !!!

Are they Muslims ? A neighbour once reminded them to be quiet during after their kin's wedding but one of them answered "Biasalah mabuk-mabuk masa majlis kahwin" !!!

Alhandulillah they had moved out. Peace is again within our community. Good luck to their new community.

Nani Cheras.

millenniumaspire said...

I'm confused. I thought the Rohingyas had been in Rakhine at least since late 18th century and probably since 8th century AD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people

Anonymous said...

hahaha see the sepet sengkelet only cares for its own skin

typical kiasi kiasu

Anonymous said...

Anon 9.28am, august 16

Of course you are confused, in 18th century it was probably under the Moghul Empire, and in the 8th century there was no Burma. We are talking about modern day Burma where Bangladeshi came into Rakhine en masse and there were probably many Rohingyas there, but the Biuddhist in Rakhine have been trying to contain the influx since

Ian Htoo


Anonymous said...

Comparing sabah to Burma----wow is that apple to apple or orange to grapes.....get the facts right. Under BN the peninsulars are not freely to enter sabah without
certain documents but hte SABAHAN wow they can go and in as they like.

Nothing similar here except we have more and more sabahan behind our backyards but at least they are MALAYSIANS.

Anonymous said...

interesting information. our govt should beware... wismaputra should check the situation and not jump the gun...

millenniumaspire said...

Ian Htoo,

1. Muslim settlements have existed in Arakan(Rakhine) since the arrival of Arabs there in the 8th century AD.

2. Min Saw Mun (Narameikhla), with the help of Bengal Sultanate became the king of the Mrauk U Kingdom in about 1430's. The Bengalese Muslims who came with him formed a settlement in the area.

3. During British rule(circa 1900s?), Arakan was part of Bengal Administration of British India (no boundry/travel restriction), thus waves of immigration from Chittagong to Arakan to fill the requirement of cheap labors by British India Company.

My point is the Muslims(Rohingya?) have settled in Arakan/Rakhine since 8th century AD. Considering the jus soli principle, even the descendants of immigrants during British rule deserve to be treated as citizens (same case with Malaysia).

Still, correct me if I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

"Considering the jus soli principle, even the descendants of immigrants during British rule deserve to be treated as citizens (same case with Malaysia)."

Taking your arguement of jus soli, I believe the decendants of Malayao of Formosa should have been given the same treatment instead of declaraing them as aboriginal people of this Island now controls by Han Chinese. If Malaya did not agree with giving the non-Malays (esp. Chinese coolie) citizenship the country (Malaysia) will not have racial problem now today....we can go on and on until the cows come home mate!!

Htoo!

IT.Sheiss said...

Thanks for providing more information about the history of the Rohingya and the geography of the Rakhine region.

However, the key point is irrespective of whether they are Burmese or not, there is no justification to persecute and oppress them any more that Malaysia is justified in persecuting and oppressing foreign workers just because they are not Malaysian.

Aung San Syu Kyi shoud at least have condemned their persecution as human beings and perhaps have also said that if her party ever gets into power, it will look into their status as Burmese.

IMHO, since the Rakhine region is a part of Myannmar or Burma and if the Rohingya have been living there since the 18th century, then they are entitled to be Burmese nationals. Otherwise Burma should either let it be autonomous, independent or join Bangladesh.

Anonymous said...

"Thanks for providing more information about the history of the Rohingya and the geography of the Rakhine region.

However, the key point is irrespective of whether they are Burmese or not, there is no justification to persecute and oppress them any more that Malaysia is justified in persecuting and oppressing foreign workers just because they are not Malaysian.

Aung San Syu Kyi shoud at least have condemned their persecution as human beings and perhaps have also said that if her party ever gets into power, it will look into their status as Burmese.

IMHO, since the Rakhine region is a part of Myannmar or Burma and if the Rohingya have been living there since the 18th century, then they are entitled to be Burmese nationals. Otherwise Burma should either let it be autonomous, independent or join Bangladesh.

August 17, 2012 3:26 AM"

I would rather Rakhine provonce be allowed to be part of Bangladesh, and you cannot help but to make an assertion and condemn Malaysia for its "justification" on mal-treating foreign workers, whcih 99.9% we do not. Ask any foreign worker in Malaysia they will say life if goog LG!
There was an agreement between yangon and Dacca todeal with Bengali. as Burnmese call them to be absorbed back into Bangladesh, since Burmese has taken many into Burma, but Bangladeshi government is not interested! It is simply like this, you cannot put a dog and a cat in a small cage and expect them not to kill each other!

I am a Burmese!

Anonymous said...

You are ignorant and xenophobic. The Rohingya are Burmese-deal with it. There is no justification for the way they have been disowned and maltreated by Burma.